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The Cosmic Tap
Miscellaneous Affronts to your Assumptions
The most recent chapter in the Herb Chambers complaint saga, demonstrating their cavalier attitude about customer satisfaction as well as their technological ignorance. There is also considerable feedback from readers with similar issues.
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Whats it really like working for a HC company.
Which one is the best to work for. Can anyone recommend a reputable dealership I could contact..
I am over 50 years old with experince in acustomer service industry. Would that be a detriment?
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Go to Dealer Rater.com and search out the Prime Motor Group...You will find that they are a truly reputable company that take customer and employee satisfaction to a a whole new level...I wish you luck in your search. The automotive industry is a rewarding and exciting industry and I have enjoyed it for over 20 years!
sdoran@primemotorgroup.com
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The following is the list of events as they occurred on the evening of September 27, 2005 at Herb Chambers Dodge in Danvers.
At approximately 6:15pm I was called upon by the General Sales Manager, William Lee to assist Matthew Fallows in the sale of a Dodge Ram pickup truck.
Shortly there after I would meet Robert Frost who would be the person attempting the purchase.
After meeting Mr. Frost I qualify his needs and there level of importance. Mr. Frost will share that he has interest in keeping the monies at where they are currently which is a payment of approximately $730.00. he would like to obtain this payment with little if any out of pocket cash and to include a remote starter like his current Ram pickup truck has, which he will be trading in and was part of his last purchase from Herb Chambers Dodge.
I will solicit from Mr. Frost a credit card which takes the vehicle off of the market and explain that I will present his offer to William Lee and work to gain approval. After arriving at the sales desk I begin to present the offer to William Lee and at the mention of to include a remote starter I begin to be critized by the Finance Director, Mr. Joseph Dipietro. Mr. Dipietro raises his voice to me to say that we do not include remote starters and that he has to buy it himself or he can't buy the truck. I respond in saying that I have never heard of such a thing which William Lee confirms and I continue to present the figures and seek approval. I give an attempt to sell the truck at $739.00 which is slightly higher than current and to not include the remote starter, the customer would decline leaving me the choice of not selling the truck or to include the remote starter. I once again converse with William Lee, suffer more abuse from Mr. Dipietro who is now calling me weak and telling me that I suck. Nevertheless William Lee agrees to accept the offer and to sell the Ram Truck. I share the results with Mr. Frost, congratulate him and proceed to my office to respond to a page for a telephone call.
Mr. Dipiero would follow to my office to ask if I had explained to the customer that he had agreed to a twelve thousand mile per year lease now knowing that his current lease contract was at fifteen thousand miles per year. Mr. Dipietro would further explain that a salesperson by the name of Simon sold this customer his current truck and made $4,000.00 in doing so and did NOT include a remote start. Mr. Dipietro would say again how much that I was weak and that I sucked. I leave my office to return to the area of the sales desk.
Once arriving back to the sales desk Mr. Dipietro accuses me of taking his brothers personal keys which had happened some two weeks ago, I try to explain to Mr. Dipietro that I did not take his brothers keys but that it was good to know where his brother had gotten the idea from because the lord knows Joshua his brother is not capable of thinking for himself. He now begins to call me a wise ass and to say that he will take me outside and bash my head off of the grill of a car. It is at this point that Mr. Joseph Dipietro jumps at me to push me backwards with both of his hand into my chest, he grabbed me by the throat with both of his hands and had to be restrained by Frank Dalton.
Once Mr. Dipietro is restrained I leave to go back to my office and gather my personal belongings where there stands at the fax machine Jim Klimas the General Manager. I explain to Mr. Klimas that I am going home to be asked why what's wrong? Joey just grabbed me by the throat because we included a remote starter to sell a truck. What? Jim would leave the office and I would proceed to gather what pictures of my family and other personal belongings that were kept in the office.
Leaving the showroom I notice that Jim Klimas coming out of Mr. Dipietro's office and has already finished his discussion with him.
I proceed to leave my place of employment where I have dedicated nearly seven years.
I arrive home at approximately 7:30pm explain to my wife what had taken place.
At approximately 9:15pm Mr. Dipietro calls my home to apologize for his actions and that he hopes that I will return to work and he also knew that I had not taken his brothers personal keys.
Mr. Dipietro would call again at near 10:00 pm to again explain that how sorry that he is and that we are suppose to be friends he is going to go to anger management classes and that I should golf the following day that he will not be attending, I insist that I will not be golfing.
Later that same evening Mr. Klimas call at approximately 10:30pm to question what had taken place and to explain that Joey Dipietro had been going through a hard time as it was the one year anniversary of his father's death, he would further explain that he was not making excuses that Mr. Dipietro was wrong in what he had done. Mr. Klimas would also explain that he believed that Joshua had hidden his own keys so that he could borrow a used Chrysler 300C. Mr. Klimas would also make an attempt to convince me golf the following morning now knowing that Joey Dipietro had said that he was going to anger management, Jim Klimas was ignorant to what anger management was and I would attempt to explain it to him. He was going to call Joey and that he would call me right back.
Mr. Klimas would call again at now nearly 11:30pm to discuss the Red Sox game and explain that he wishes that I would play golf in the morning. I further insist that I won't be playing golf tomorrow.
September 29, 2005 Mr. Klimas would call to wonder why that I was not at work.
September 30, 2005 William Lee would call to ask questions of vehicles inventoried and there status, he would ask what my situation was and would understand that if I did not return. He would also if there were would be anything that he could do for me tot hesitate.
On October 3, 2005 I submit that I am resigning the Used Car Manager position for Herb Chambers Dodge which I have held for nearly two years. From a company which I have dedicated nearly seven years and have succeeded in numerous management positions.
On October 6, 2005 I file a criminal complaint against Joseph Dipietro for physical assault and treats to do bodily harm. Scheduled to appear on November 2, 2005
On October 14, 2005 Mr. Dipietro would call both my home and cell phone numbers several times to eventually leave a message on my cell phone voice mail asking my intentions and my motive.
November 2, 2005 I have left Salem District Court where I have failed to meet the burden of proof, Mr. Dipietro sat proudly present with an attorney, a "witness", and signed affidavit's from four members of the sales staff, along with an affidavit from a Peabody police officer who was somewhere in the showroom and herd yelling but did not witness the physical assault.
Sincerely,
Jerry
People seldom use the word WAR when it comes to performing their profession. I can't emphasize to you enough, I feel although I may have lost battles over the years or turned the other cheek to not create a war.
I have described to you a list of events that did occur and although I left that courthouse today somewhat humiliated in my lack of preparation and knowledge of the proceedings. I am more embarrassed by the fact that I have spent so many years of my life working for a Company and spending so much personal time with people that would encourage such proceedings.
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Do yourselves a favor and go on dealerrater.com
Check out the dealer's rating before buying there.
I used to be a customer of Foreign Motors West in Natick, but as soon as Herb "I have too much plastic surgery and my ads suck" Chambers bought them out I never went back. I have since bought 2 cars from Prime Motor Group. I recommend you go to Prime Audi if you want an Audi. They are professional, courteous and just plain awesome.
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The general manager of the Braintree store told me he was not going to do anything about the issue and corporate won't return my calls.
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The dealership that I worked for did not drug test until after an employee was hired, and in many cases if they failed they were allowed to re test until they passed. They were supposed to conduct background checks and driving records, however about 50% or more had either no driving license or a felony record or both, this was routinely overlooked. Employees that were fired for drug test failures were rehired, employees fired for forging customer signitures on legal documents were rehired. Employees were routinely harrassed and verbally degraded by both managers and co workers, and this sort of behavior was commonly allowed. The working hours were ungodly and employees had no life whatsoever, if you wprked there that was to be your life, and if it was not you are blackballed......so sad but so true and so happy to be out of there. Herb or Jim if you read this please take a long hard look at your operations especially your GM's I won't say which onesm just look long and hard
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Now for my buying experience, I purchased a vehicle from one of the luxury stores in the Chambers group and all I will say is what a nightmare, I should have ran but I did not. I HAVE NEVER seen in my life what I witnessed at this dealership, the GM was in the middle of the showroom swearing and screaming at one of the sales people to "get the fuck out". I was absolutely shocked by this and my sales person was beyond embarrassed, and I did feel bad for it was not their fault. I went about my purchase and a couple months ago went back into the dealership for service and what do you know, the same GM swearing at a customer to "GET THE FUCK OUT". It seems this is the extent of his vocabulary, I assure you I will never set foot into that location again had I been that customer I would have knocked the GM out. I am not sure why herb would surround himself with this type of person but once again it must come down to money. I guess the "get the fuck out" guy must be a great GM for him for I Have found out he has been with Herb for years. I assure you that you would NEVER experience that type of behavior with the Boch, Balise or Inskip auto dealers. I could go on for hours but what's the use things will never change just felt the need to warm the public, before buying from Herb try some of his competitors and then compare. Do your homework, and do not get sucked into that extra shit they try to sell you. lastly I think we all should not buy cars on Sunday's and holiday's so that we can get the employee's of these dealers some sense of life back.
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some of the funniest reading I've ever seen.
After saying that, I too woud like to share.
I recently went to Braintree Ford to purchase a Mustang GT.I had the pleasure
of meeting BOZO THE CLOWN,better know as Scott Lewis.
Mr. Lewis is the GM---I call him BOZO not only for his looks,which are very
close to the real BOZO,but for the way he destroyed the wonderful feeling I had
about purchasing my dream car.
I can't explain how aloof this man is-----he really thinks he's important--he's a car salesman for god sake.He gets paid alot of money and he ruined what could have been a sale.I could spend hours explaining what it was like--
like so many of you have--but it is easier to say,I WON'T BE GOING BACK THERE AGAIN------------EVER.
Thanks for listening,
Car-buffed
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After being jerked around by the nasty little service manager on a Saturday morning after 3 hours, I walked up the the General Manager who was holding his obnoxious sales rah rah with live customers in the store buying and them chanting like Tony Robert rejects. After being shood away twicw by his sargeant, I walked up, interupted him and demanded service. He got and roarewd at the top of his lungs in the dealership "OK FUCKING RUDE CUSTOMER, LETS GO WIPE YOUR HINEY.
If I knew there was no chance of getting arreested, I would have pounded this nasty little immature boy into the ground. I will NEVER EVER buy at Herb Chambers again.
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Well, FYI to Herb Chambers Infiniti:
Anthony is not just "some guy"...
and It's all about karma, baby!!!!
your brother jay
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we found a truck that we liked, signed papers on it on the next day, and a week later we are still waiting to pick the truck up. The service department keeps coming up with excuses, we have to order another part, we're still waiting for the part to come in.
I will never send anyone to a Herb Chambers Dealership, and subject them to the BS that we are going through.
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We are not here to fight and argue with the clients that come in our doors! How does that benefit us? True sometimes things don't go as smoothly as we all want them to go. However we do whatever we can to make the client happy,our very livehoods depend on repeat business. I believe we go above and beyond the call of duty to make EVERYONE happy. It sometimes astonishes me exactly how far we will go to make the customer happy. I wish every business went as far to make their clients happy. I can think of many times I have been dissatisfied with the services I recieved from companies I have done business with. For instance I recently got married and I was very dissatisfied with the company who did our photography. First when I called to pay over the phone the woman there was more interested in discussing with her coworkers the events that had happened the previous night while I sat on the phone waiting for her to finish then she calls me days later to inquire as to when I was going to pay for it. Hello I already did she misplaced the receipt in the midst of her conversation with her co-workers. Then the photographer did not care about how we wanted our photos done there were some things in the background that we wanted removed before he took the pics he ignored us then Eight months later when we finally got our pics we had to pay to have the items removed from the pics. We got the pics and thanks it looks like someone cut them out and stuck them to a yellow background what did I get for my inconvenience,NOTHING I had to pay for the pics that were "fixed" and I had to wait eight months for them! That is not the case with the Herb Chambers Companies Satisfaction is Herb's number one concern,in my opinion and our company will do whatever we can to make the client happy no matter what the cost. Many of our Dealers have the highest satisfaction scores in the Country. A new vehicle purchase to most people is the second biggest purchase they'll make right next to purchasing a home. Ever go into a realtors office and expect for them to give you all the info you need to make a conscience decision in five minutes? Honestly give us a little time were giving you ours. As far as interest rates are concerned we use over thirty different lending institutions we don't know what your rates going to be until we've come to an agreement and have shopped the banks,but I can tell you this you'll know what it is before you sign your bank contract and if for some reason you can get a better rate,go ahead but we can normally beat or match any credit unions rate. Have a little patience were not here to rip you off were here to help you find the right vehicle at the right price! I was brought up to believe that you should treat every person you meet with the same courtesy as you would like to be treated with. I wish everyone had this same philosiphy! Simply put we want everyone to be satisfied but if you act like an animal chances are you'll be treated like one. We try to look past that and try to think that your not really an animal that its just sometype of defensive reaction or is it? I know for a fact that if you act like a rational person your concern will be addressed no matter what the cost. As for waiting for a vehicle do to a Title issue. It's not us its the state that requires that the dealer have the title before delivery of a vehicle. Most people still have loans on there vehicles when they trade them in for a new one and occasionally someone is interested in something that just came in on trade. We sell it then when we go to get the car registered theres no title we want you to take delivery of your new vehicle as badly as you do,however in this case it's in the hands of the bank who has the title as to how long it takes to get to us. True we should know if the title is in or not but guess what we're human and sometimes we make mistakes or overlook little things. I do know however that if this instance comes up we will gladly pay for a rental vehicle so your not without a vehicle as I said we want you happy.
I can only say that whoever had this issue must have been an animal and refused our offer to provide them with another vehicle for transportation in the meantime. As for service
Sometimes parts need to be ordered and sometimes when they come in it's not the right part, what does service have to gain by lying to the client as to the wait for parts or work that needs to be performed on there vehicle. We are the Herb Chambers Companies we service hundreds of thousands of vehicles each year,we don't need to nickel and dime you. One of the first things I was told when I started was to NEVER LIE to the client if they ask you a question and you don't know the answer simply tell them you don't know,lying comes back to bite you in the rear so don't do it.
Do unto others as you would do unto yourself!
True sometimes you get a bad apple in the bunch but thats not a good excuse just know that these bad apples are quickly disposed of and they probably now work at the dealer down the street or at Midas or Jiffy Lube because they don't make the cut!
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It would appear that they are still employing the same tactics regarding financing the sales of vehicles. Maybe the laws in Massachusetts regarding this behavior are more tolerant than in the State of Connecticut. Also seems that a number of people are complaining about the same issues (loan misrepresentations). Judging by the content of the copy written by employees of the Chambers dealerships, one would have to question the level of their intellect, but then they are not working at a car dealership because they have PhDâs in Rocket Science.
The negative connotation attached to the title âCar Salesmenâ has evolved for a reason, it surely wasnât for good ethical practices.
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Before I went to the Ford dealership, I had been to the Jeep one in Millbury. They were just as bad. But luckily I had figured it out before I put down a deposit.
I guess the Westboro dealership is just better at BSing people that the Millbury one.
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This is great. HC is not going to be where I buy my G37 thanks to this site. People like them are the reason why I hate buying cars. They'll realize the power of "a guy on the internet" soon enough...
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My story begins here: I was a happy service advisor, who like a lot of people who still work for the company would never let anyone bad mouth the HC company, I felt strongly about the level of service I provided and had a strong customer following. Over the years, I found ways to make customers want to keep returning to the company for continuing maintenance, warranty needs, and even to buy new vehicles.
Somewhere along the way, I moved my way up the ladder and became service manager, working under the so-called service director. 3 yrs went by and the service department never saw better numbers and customer satisfaction was at an all time high. I then was called into the General Manager's office with the "service director", where they proceeded to give me an option, become a service advisor or leave (demotion, or as the GM called it a "lateral move"). They needed to "make a change" with the position and bring in someone else, plus they "needed me to do what I do best and work with the customers"...so wait--take something that isn't broken and try to fix it with me changing positions, I remind you the service department, under me, was doing numbers it had never seen before and was climbing every month. Makes no sense does it, here is where it gets interesting, I was told that they didn't know who they were going to hire but they had interviewed some candidates. A week later there was a new manager in place, who I was asked to train--haha. It turns out he was a former manager who had worked with someone very close to the "service director" before. Funny huh...it's a shame that they lost out on a dedicated employee. By the way, they did nothing to try to keep me there when I did leave a few months later...I don't know if Mr. Chambers knows this story or not, I never pursued it...maybe he may see this and wonder who I am...probably not though.
--A former dedicated employee
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I HATE HERB CHAMBERS
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I NEVER GO BACK TO VISIT THEM AGAIN.
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and I heard nothing so I called to see if they received the title. The response was that it will be in in a couple of weeks and that we will call you when it is ready . I waited for another month and called back again, this time to speak to the sales mgr. He again told me that the title is not in and it will be in in a couple of weeks and that they will call me. By now my payments had started and to keep my plates I had to start to pay insurance onmy suv that they had already sold. I again called back in july with the same answer. I called a day ago( in August ) and the title still wasn't in. I told them they had till the end of the week to produce the title and the response was that they loaned me a rental car and if I break the contract I will have to pay for the rental(3 months worth). I told them if you do I'd see you in court and am now waiting.
Great business being run here. Customer service is definately their #1 priority.
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http://www.rmlarson.com/chambers
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By the way.....DUH......the customers are the ones who provide your jobs.......loose them and you're out the door.
If you attempt to still visit Herb Chambers.........steer clear of Jamie at the Burlington dealership........nothing but a liar folks! He tried to get away with one lie after another and once pushed in the corner........he looses people files!!
I WOULD RIDE A LAWN MOWER TO WORK BEFORE I'D DO BUSINESS WITH ANY HERB CHAMBERS DEALERSHIPS!
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Now...three months later...I get called my MB Finance saying we are delinquent on the payments, despite having set up the auto pay with the finance manager (twice actually...once for the lease and once for the loan). Am now in the process of clearing my credit report. Extremely frustrating!
Bottom line....well intentioned people with nice demeanor...but just not effective or thorough or diligent. And to those semi-illiterate "employees" who would seek to blame the customer or suggest I should read the fine print..........I did. I am a banker.
So the question is...is such ineffectiveness endemic to Herb Chambers dealerships or just rotten luck?
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Back in 96, I purchased a pre-owned (they called them "used" back then) Civic from HC Burlington. Overall great experience! Very low-pressure, low-key, pleasant salesperson--car was ready for delivery as promised, very clean.
Thinking I could repeat that pleasant experience, I went back to HC Burlington to purchase another "certified pre-owned" Civic. Deceiptful, lying scam artists--I will NEVER do business with them again! I know I shouldn't compete or complain next to Benz buyers dishing out $$, but taken is taken.
Started when I called them: "Do you have any 5-speed manual Civics in inventory?" "Oh, yes," they replied, "we have several! C'mon down!" I did--they had ONLY one. Charged me $400 for the "pre-owned certification" (that 150-point inspection BS), then neglected to give me ANY documentation! What should've been provided but wasn't?
• Owners manual
• New Car Warranty manual
• Certified Warranty Booklet
• Copy of HCUC 150-pt. Inspection Checklist in Glove Box (Once completed)
• Radio Security Code
They also promised, but failed, to fix rear bumper damage, and delivered the car 3 days later than they had promised, with only 1 key (nonspecific to checklist, but not exactly "like new" either). As for the missing documents, after 3 phone calls to the sales associate, the finance supervisor took my call and actually used the "they're in the mail" line. Suffice it to say--never got 'em. And will never give Herb Chambers another cent of my business!
Thanks again for providing this site.
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Both ideas were thrown into the trash without a second thought. The sales agent eventually became fed up with my ranting and called the sales manager; “so he could deal with it”. Long story short; the sales manager told my wife and I that if we didn't like the deal they offered; we simply didn’t have to buy the car.
Both the sales agent and the sales manager became flustered in a matter of 10 minutes because we refused to play their games. Pretty pathetic when they claim to be the best dealership.
Needless to say, we will never go to a Herb Chambers dealership again!
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Hope you sleep well Fred.
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Can you say massive ego?
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"Service Advisor" is a joke. They get paid a commision on what they sell and only a commision. So they make no money unless you buy repairs.
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In a nutshell as follows:
An inexperienced sales person took the most simple of business transactions and made an honest mistake due to lack of experience. We researched a Camry with specific options, brought in the internet quote and they agreed to sell it to us at invoice. The whole process took 30 minutes. The salesman entered "LA" package instead of "QC" on the electronic order form and presented it for signature. It only said "leather package", without any further detail on the options page. (The "QC" package is $300 more and includes heated seats and mirrors.) The car was delivered a month later, looked great, but was not as requested. They acknowledged the salesman's oversight, and offered to split the cost of aftermarket heated seats at $550 each. We agreed, recognizing that we should have brushed up on dealer option lingo prior to signing on the dotted line. When I picked the car up with an unexplainable 135 new miles on it (on the second attempt because it was hacked up the first time) I asked for an itemized receipt. I have asked four times and been there in person to request one. All they will provide is an EFT report from Timberline or some equivalent indicating the check was deposited into Herb's vault of gold at Citizen's bank. "No itemized receipt is available" I have been told. Well, I know where the heated seats were installed, and I know they cost $499 a pair retail, but several members of the sales staff have looked me in the eye and stated "We are splitting the cost".
To the sales staff, they only see a customer that likely will not return. Not that it matters, but I am an ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician with 20 years in the industry, most in management, who just wanted to buy his wife a new car. I know all too well how the industry works, and wish I had found this site and many others like it before my purchase. Perhaps I will update this when we finish in small claims.
Moral of the story; Never pay a dealer to warm your ass. You might get burned.
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This has happened more often than not, customers being dishonest about their vehicles. Next issue, if you have bad credit and cant pay for your KIA why do you think that we can get you into something newer and more expensive for less money, pay your bills. Read about your credit online and see what you need to do to fix it. Selling cars is about making money car dealers will always try to make money so when you dont read what you signed until later we are the bad guys. I even had someone come in and test drive a mustang GT convt. with manual trans. 3 days later the wife comes back in and wants her money back, her reason, she didnt know it was a manual and could not drive it, she test drove it.
Customers are more often than not to blame for the problems, not to say that the car business is the most honest. I was in the Army for 11 years and have been injured in Iraq so suck up that you didnt read all the fine print or ask the right questions. Lesson learned.
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I'm a high level manager in the automobile industry. I love what I do. Helping people is a fun and rewarding experience. I'd like everyone to understand that the vast majority of professionals in this business are honest, competent, and most of all caring. Sure, it gets tough to please everyone, and let's face it, some people are not very nice, but it's a good business to be a part of. The reason for my post is to simply remind you that it's your friend, your neighbor, your nephew, or your son that is workign in this very challenging industry. Cars today are more complex than the first Apollo space craft. Give us the opportunity to help you and we'll do our best.
The other reason for my post is to proudly admit that I have hired many ex-employees from the HC Corp. They are talented, committed, and for the most part are just looking for a good home. As far as great employers are concerned in this business, their getting harder and harder to find as the big guys (Herb) are buying up all the small guys.
If you deal with a small local dealer now please do what you can to keep them in business. If you're dealing with the big guy, well it seems you may or may not be happy. You may have saved $5.00 a month, but what did you get in return?
Anyway, since Herb is worth $1.6 Billion (yeah, with a "B") it's doubtful that he can relate to anyone anymore.
Best wishes to all the consumers and automotive professionals out there, keep doing your best to treat the customer like family.
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I was told the price of a car. I gave my credit card for deposit. I was happy and excited about finally having my car search behind me. I should have known that was far too easy. I recieved a follow-up call to come back to the dealership because there had been a "mistake". It seems, the salesperson and the manager had a miscommunication and made a "mistake" where the price I had been quoted, and agreed to, was $2000 wrong. The offer was $2000 less than it should have been. When I resisted this extra charge, I was treated with complete and utter cruelty. I was called a thief. Apparently, according to the dealership, this was all my fault. I was told I was an awful person, someone that would steal groceries from an old lady or not return someone else's belongings. I would steal, I would lie. I must be "Miss Perfect" if I couldn't understand their mistake. As I was berated, I sat there uncomfortably, other than trying to get a word in edgewise to say that actually I wouldn't steal from someone else, I didn't know what to do. I am woman. As my discomfort increased, nervous laughter escaped at one point. I was told sit there - smirk! laugh! sigh! You are a bad person. You think you are perfect. Well, sorry, I am not Mr. Perfect he said, and I make mistakes. He told me that he was a good person, and I was trying to take advantage of him. Afraid to respond, and unsure how to handle his attack, I got up to leave. At this point, he began to raise his voice more so, to scream at me, loudly enough for everyone in showroom to hear, saying that he "Did not want the business of a person like me. Get out!" He followed behind me and yelled back to someone at his front desk dramatically to call the police. I got in my car, and drove away as far as I could handle, then pulled over and cried my heart out. What kind of treatment was that? I am extremely saddened. I know that I should not take personal offense to this incident. I am sure it is one of many that man would have on that day. I am sure he sleeps just fine every night. I won't. It does impact me. I am sure that other dealerships lie and scam to get what they want from the customer, too. But this just seems outrageous to me.
This is my Herb Chambers story.
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I am so disappointed. How can Herb Chambers sleep at night knowing how his staff are ripping people off?
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The HC Employees who blog really should spend some quality time in school taking creative writing. Their comments are incoherent and ridiculous.
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I also just want to make a point. In order for HC to be in the luxury car market he needs a tremendous amount of really good customer service scores.
You cannot get a Bently dearlership on bad "service/sales complaints. And that goes for Mercedes, BMW etc......you just won't get the franchise.
When you do the amount of business that HC does you are always going to get a good 5% of dissatisfaction, for every 95% of satisfaction.
I do not work for him nor have I ever purchased anything from him, but fair is fair.
In general, buyers have an imbedded fear of salespeople and service people.
They enter into the folds with the expectation that "something" bad is going to happen and I won't be able to handle it.
So, if they are just looked at the wrong way or if they don't like the tone etc of the person talking to them their defenses go up and they run to blog their horrible experience.
People.......if you truly had such horrible experiences why didn't you go to a lawyer or the attorney general. You know, once the AG has enough complaints about someone they are shut down. So if you where truly dealt "bad deals" why didn't you do some serious complaining instead of this blogging crap,
Another thing google any car dealer, you people have plagued them all. The intelligent buyer/service customer doesn't have these problems and/or
knows how to deal with them.
HC didn't make billions doing the wrong thing...........you don't like being ripped off? Go to Boch, he makes the devil look sweet.
You people are a bunch of overly sensitive born mad people to begin with.
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This is just a way to blow off steam, but it doesn't solve anything. Toyota's CSI is taken very seiously, and he wouldn't own the franchie with bad csi.
And that's the facts!!!!!!!!!!!!Oh, by the way I don't work for HC either.
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Customer satisfaction is a key to selling anything. Sure you can complain about this and that no matter where you go. Noone is perfect and noone will be. Overall most customers are happy and do come back to Herb Chambers, Boch and Quirk. That is why each one of them is growing you keep coming back to them.
People are taught to hate salesmen from day one. Do you argue price when you go out to eat? Perhaps at the grocery store? Toys for the kids?? NO you dont, you accept that there is mark up and pay right away, ever buy gas for your car? In sales the goal is to make profit. You the consumer have a luxury of negotiating price when shopping for a car. What if you had to pay sticker every time you bought a car??? This is give and take for both parties. Most salesmen make about 200-500 per car sold at best. How much do you make a week?? He would be shooting himself if he sold it right away at a low low price.
Customers need to be educated when they come into the dealerships. Here are some tips for customers to get the best deal.
1) dont email or call and ask for best price you have to go in and spend some time. If you can call ahead and make an appointment to optimize your time.
2)Do not buy anything if you are not totally in love with it.
3)Be respectful and give your real name and phone number, we will call and try to get you back in the dealership this is how we make money.
4) If you bought something else then let someone know you did dont lie to sales people.
5)Price is most important to you but really I asked numerous people who bought their cars this past week and 1 out of 5 could remember what they paid.
6) Everything can be negotiated so please be patient and really if we are at the third pencil- number on paper that really is about all you are going to get we have nothing left to give and do need to make money.
I hope all of you can take this advice and make your next shopping trip good.
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I called and wrote to Acura. This was 12 years ago. I told them exactly what she did to me and that the dealership backed her up.
I received a letter of appology from Acura and she is no longer working for them. As far as Claire Acura, my complaint is still out there and boy do I get the red carpet every time I go in. It works. Instead of blogging your complaint write to the manufacturer and if they are credible like Acura you will get action.
Here is another on. Just last year I went to Claire Acura for a simple service. They did what they where supposed to do, but told me the next time I come in I will need this and that. Well, the car is only 3 years old, out of warranty and I am the second owner, but still, it's an Acura, and the things they told me I needed seemed a little outrageous. So I wrote to Acura.
Within 3 days I received a phone call from Acura. They explained that these items are wear and tear items and if I am having a problem paying for them they will help me. The repairs totaled $700. They sent me a check for $250 and called the dearlership and asked them to do what they could to make it easier for me. They gave me a $100.00 discount per service. All together is ended up costing me out of pocket $350.00.
To show my appreciation I wrote a wonderful letter to Claire which they have posted in their service room for other customers to see, and they have a whole wall full of these letters.
And the red carpet is still out there. I love it. Now I live in Ashland and had to use Herb Connolly in Framingham. Holy Cow..........I went right back to Claire, I don't care how far I have to travel.
Go to google and type this " complaints against name of your dealer"
Watch what comes up. They all have these complaints you can't please everyone all the time. I LOVE ACURA'S.
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I have bought a R500, S500, S550 4 matic, a G55, and ML350, and several other cars from Herb chambers of Lynnfiled.
The servicve department is at best useless.
I took my G55 for service, I paid the bill, When I went to pick up the car the dash board was ripped , and all the mechanics trash was still inside the car, car was a mess in the interior. The never washed the cars after service for me. Then I looked the web to find out Nattick dealership is also taken over by Herb.
I am more than mad.
I should look for a dealer who is not Herb, who can deliver good service. I am fed up with Herb .
I am sending this to you as I cannot find the e mail of your customer service head if there is any such person.
I am tired of complaining, Mike Hanafin acts like he is a loard .
This incedent happened on 10/22/07.
Forward this to Herb Chambers , and all in the enterprise.
I am determined to find a way to rectify this kind of wrong done to me by Flagship of Lynnfield.
You know how to contact JDPowell , who is the state agency that deal with these .
TV people , who will get me action.
I am more than angry frustrated and humiliated.
Lalith Tissera,MD
Melrose wakefield Behavioral Health
11 Lafayette st
Wakefield, MA 01880.
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Herbs bullies do not believe in customer service.They think We are at their mercy. They are arrogant ,rude, crude and ignorant.
Herb is too rich to be a polite business man he hires bullies and thugs. My experience is that. They have attempted to cheat me before.
I have the misfortune I have to spend time getting aggravted by idiots,
I want to see him go under.
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I went to a car serviced , I paid for service. They did not comply with their job.
They have always made it an unpleaseant filthy , nauseating experience my going into their glass house.
The service department guys always make electric jobs complicated.
When they fix something they break another.
The bully Mark was upset with me.
The reason, I told him that his apology means nothing to me , if keep doing the same mistake.
His attitude was he has been merciful to me he offered an apology, I should be glad that billionaires subordinate apologize.
I am sad, this experience has made me think a lot.
Human dignity , politeness has no place in the car dealship , or sales culture in the USA.
MB USA should outsource the services to polite competent aliens - not the USimmigration service definition of aliens- I mean Martians or some other bunch of creatures or robots.
These kind of experiences have made me stay away from any dealing with infra human creatures.
I will not go to a car dealerships for ever.
Explain to me why people are so arrogant, do they get a thrill being so.
People like scott can help me understand the minds of these types.
I am polite, I never will to go to the level of a barking dog.
My being a naturalized citizen not a mascular man has anything to do with this , I don't know.
These bullies are not human. They have muscles. Very little brains, I think.
Too much fast food and coffee and stress in making more and more.
I will sit back an observe your responses.
I also wrote to Herr.Lieb - I found out Herr .Lieb is the President of MB USA.
I don't want to obsess about this anymore.
My anger is the way that bully shouted at me was not called for.
I can clearly and politely speak to any devil, yet the devils at Herbs , i couldn't tame.
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If my truck isn't ready tonight, I don't know how I'm going to get home. I is my sole means of transportation and I live 66 miles away.
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thus pissing off the customer which then became our problem. dont worry tho
pay back was a bitch. first there was a problem with the car thay sold me (used) thay took it fix it. to no suprise car was returned the same as given with the exception of one removed car alarm and one oil change of course complimentry.. so about two days later brought it back this time I was given A complimentry Loaner Brand new camry with only 20 miles on it. what a great car actually bought one for my next car. NOT from herb chambers of course
so any way turns out my car needs a new engine great well it took so long for that engine to come in and be instaled I had the camry long enough to put 4200 miles on the car. then one day I get the call your car is ready can we have our car back we have it sold. "Is my alarm in??? no thay say. so I say No not till my alarm is back in my car. well the police show up at my house asking if i have a stollen car belongig to herb chambers I said yes i have their car no its not stolen I further explianed my situation turns out he and his wife got snow balled from there as well he said take the car back . OK well on the way to the dealership I was at a stop sighn when I got rear ended thus pushing me forward where the front got kissed by a small pickup well the car was drivable and the report filed not my fault. HERB got back his SOLD camry and I said Fuck the alarm and car . Claimed the lemon law and bought a new Camry..
PS. revenge is a dish best served cold.... as some wise person once said.
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I was sitting around today and thought hey, why do we devalue our products for the public. I mean really if you go to buy sox tickets from a dealer you will pay more than face for them, trust me that is why I work so hard so I can afford them. Here we are with products that the public wants, New C300, Mustangs, Tahoes whatever you sell that is hot. We take away our money once the customer walks in the door. Imagine a day when the sticker said, $31,875 and could then they say whats can you get it to me for, answer $42,675!!!! because of demand. No instead even when we have something the public wants we discount it. Think about it they dont discount gas, food, clothes or any other things we WANT.
Customers are going to get mad and some are going to not get the great treatment. HC companies sell 125 cars a day on average, can you please three times that a day? I you took all the people in your life right now and thought about I bet you have made some of them mad from time to time. It is impossible to please all the people all the time. HC companies do an outstanding job at pleasing most of the people most of the time. JD Powers seems to agree.
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Herb Chambers dealerships - NEVER AGAIN - and will do our best to discourage others from going as well.
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Josh told me that he could get me a deal of $270.00 a month or even better. I told Josh that I din't want to waste his time or mine, because I was also coming from Londonderry NH, about an hour away. Josh told me don't worry about it, we will be able to take care of you.
Needless to say, I went to the dealership, this deal was no way able to even happen. They were asking me for $5,200.00 , for this to happen. I just want people to know that I deal with clientel on a daily basis, this is no way to handle a potential customer. I do not reccomend this dealership to anyone. It is sad to say, that these people, do not care about you, they just want to get you into the dealership and then finagle you into buying something.
Very bad business.
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I read only a couple of comments but it was enough -- no way I am buying anything from them!
By the way, the comments from employees were very convincing.. It shows how incompetent they are...
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Reading some of these complaints I find it funny that the "customer" never really posts a name with the complaint on here. Another funny thing I see more and more is that noone has said anything about good treatment? How can a man have 42 dealerships and continue to make all this money with the competition in the area if we treat everyone soooo wrong.
If you as a customer have a complaint call or go back into the dealership and talk to the manager and if that does not get you results then ask for the general manager.
Keep in mind this is a business and we are here to make money. Take your time and read all the contracts you sign. If you have questions ask, ask for the carfax. Do take a test drive in every vehicle you look at they all drive different. If you are not in love with the car let the saleman or woman know that you are not in love with the car and price wont matter at that point. They will in turn offer you another vehicle to see if that meets your needs.
One last thing if you really are not looking to get a vehicle and just seeing what a car is like please just look on the internet.
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There is a new Service Manager at Herb Chambers Ford, WEstboro, and he was very polite, making sure that all our concerns and issues were dealt with - and we were offered - and accepted - an acceptable refund for the trouble we had with this dealership during the summer.
Thank you Frank - at Herb Chambers Ford in Westboro
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If one of the criticisms of Herb Chambers sales managers is that they can be aloof, inconsiderate, or arrogant, the last thing a sales person should write into a blog like this is judgemental, almost vicious attacks on their customer base. It basically just confirms what the critical blogs are suggesting: that there is a contingent of HC employees who are extremely unprofessional.
For those employees, who are writing in, and attacking and justifying their attacks of current/past/future HC customers, I strongly advise you to rethink what you are doing and how you are horribly representing your company. I think Herb Chambers himself would be horrified, and I'll give you an example why. I'm in the market to buy a new car. I looked up Herb Chambers. I found this site. I was curious. I read all these blogs. Nothing, nothing upset me more than reading the employees criticizing "the customer." I was actually fine with the various experiences, good and bad, of various customers. What shocked me and has made me question going to HC is that actual employees took the time to not defend their company, but attack a group of people who shop there. That is the worst business tactic I can think of, and be careful because you are not doing yourself or Herb Chambers any favors with this kind of abusive language on a legitimate blog.
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The place is a NEST OF VIPERS! Stay far away if you are smart.
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The only way we got anything was to contact the BBB - once the dealership got a call from then, we were contacted and a settlement reached. I strongly encourage you to contact the BBB.
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If Herb Chambers makes a full refund to me as requested (highly unlikely) I will update this website, but either way I would never purchase a vehicle from them again -- considering the hassle. ---- Marcy
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I would call the Boston Globe or the AGs office. Herb Chambers broke the law by selling you that car without a title, you should get your money back!!
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What comes to my mind while reading these entries is that people (when they are burnt out) can become callous and inconsiderate and rude - - and that some jobs are "thankless". For example - I've worked as an in-patient nurse for several years and the job can be very rewarding, but it can also be equally frustrating. I guess it stems from dealing w/people when they are in crisis, fearful, etc. For what it is worth, I get some of that from these entries, but anyway, customer service jobs can be tough jobs, no 2 ways around that. Also - I think some of what goes on is just theatrics. . . for example, when a sales rep yells at and berates a customer as they are leaving the store - WTH, how can that be anything but pure theatrics. . . we are only talking about cars here. . . it's not life and death. Anyway, I'm in the market for a certified used mercedes benz wagon, I live in Rhode Island, if anyone knows a good dealer to use. I'm willing to drive a couple of hours if needed.
Cheers!
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[comment edited to merge multiple comments. do not post long pastes from other sites. it's spammy, ugly and useless -ed.]
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Here is one of my customers comments after she was not happy here with the salesperson.
"Good for you. It’s the right thing to do. I want you to know I really appreciated your time and your efforts with me. I found you very professional and someone I could trust.
Regards,
Gail "
For reason I did not include her whole name or email. She did not purchase here and I am working on that situation. I just want to try earn money and do it with honesty. I know that some people in this very building will not follow my lead but I can only control one person.
What I tell customers is that if you can come in we can be honest and have EXACT numbers to deal with not ball parks and if at the end of the day we are not at a deal we shake hands and move on.
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To the above post, I recieved a call from the dealership today. Asking me if my experience was good. I told them it wasnt. And I explained why. I could hear salespeople laughing in the backround. I guess they think its funny 21%. ***Buyers Beware***
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It seems that the dealership tried and since we do have banks we use and teir systems with credit, your credit did not fit the bill. I would not jump right off and say the dealership was still trying to get you. If you had the pre-approval then you could have still bought the car all you had to do was settle on a price. If your credit is bad and it seems that you know it is then please dont be shocked if a dealership comes back with a rate you dont agree with. Dealerships are bound by law as to how much they can mark up rates so really it was close to the 21%. If you want a fair deal it seems you had one with the pre-approval. Why did you not buy the car then since you had the money? I wish you the best of luck in getting into a new or preowned car that you want. If I can help let me know.
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DO NOT EVER BUY FROM HERB CHAMBERS.
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Not all people in the car business are like that. please call me at 781-492-4573 that is my cell I would like to see if I can help.
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--Shaggy
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This may help some of the problems we see with price differential.
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What do you recommend when the dealership ignores all your calls, inquiries and requests for problems with defective parts that they put on a "new to us" car.
IT was only when we contacted the Better Business Bureau that we were offered a settlement - and it didn't cover nearly 1/2 the cost of the new tires we had to purchase to replace the defective ones.
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Dear Mr. Chambers,
My name is XXXXX, and my husband M and I have been Herb Chambers Toyota customers for the last several years. In addition, because of our primary positive experience, we spread the word, resulting in my mother, my sister, my father-in-law, and several friends all becoming Herb Chambers customers.
Sadly, as a result of our most recent experience with your Toyota dealership in Auburn, Massachusetts, none of us will return to a Herb Chambers dealership again.
In 2005, my husband and I wanted to upgrade our Tracker to something larger and more stable. We decided to stop at your Auburn dealership to look at a used Rav4. Our sales person, XXX, was very nice and helped us out courteously and promptly. We asked him how much he needed as a down payment in order for us not to be upside down were we to trade the vehicle in sometime in the future. He said $3000 plus our taxes and fees would cover us, so we took his advice, and we purchased the vehicle.
We loved the Rav, but shortly after we purchased it, we decided to have a baby (thus giving us two children), and we thought the Rav felt a little cramped, especially with one infant car seat and one toddler car seat. But because XXX’s service had been so wonderful in 2005, in 2006 we decided to return to Herb Chambers in Auburn. In addition, since purchasing the Rav, both my mother, my sister, and my father-in-law had purchased vehicles from Herb Chambers at our recommendation.
When we went to the Toyota dealership in Auburn, we worked with XXXX, now a former sales manager, and a sales associate named XXX. They showed us a used Chevy TrailBlazer, and when we took it for a test drive, we loved it. We were concerned about the mileage, but XXX assured us that the posted mileage was on the low side, and the vehicle actually performed better than stated. We were also concerned about being too upside down to be able to trade it in at a later date, and XXX told us that if we waited a year before trading, we would be fine.
Well, Mr. Chambers, XXX either didn’t really know the car business or he flat out lied to us. This month, upon trying to trade in the Blazer for a Corolla, we found out that we were grossly misinformed both about the mileage and the trade in value.
A few weeks ago, my husband stopped in to see XXX to talk about purchasing yet another vehicle from your dealership. We wanted to purchase a Corolla because the Blazer was costing us too much in gas. XXX was busy and told M he would call him back. Unfortunately, XXXnever returned M’s call. So Mcalled again. And again. And again. And still, he received no return call from XXX.
Finally, M decided to stop down one day on his way to work. He waited for XXX for almost two hours to no avail. In addition, none of the sales associates seemed willing to help. So he left.
And he went to Harr.
Harr was more than willing to help us. In fact, they had the paperwork ready to be signed within two days. They recognized the upside down-ness of the vehicle and were going to give us $11,500 in trade, thus rendering us only $10,000 upside down. We were approved through Toyota Financial, and using Harr’s computer screen, they showed me their cost of the vehicle, the additional fees, the interest rate, the trade in amount, the final cost, and the monthly payment. The only thing left for us to do was to cancel our extended warranty on the Blazer in order to make up the $2000 gap. Depending on the value of the warranty, Harr told us that if the refund did not equal $2000, the dealership would absorb any additional monies in order to make the sale. Thus, we were all set to purchase our new Corolla S.
When M stopped at your Auburn dealership to cancel our warranty, suddenly everyone was willing to help him!!!! He was approached by a sales manager, who profusely apologized for how M had been ignored during his previous visits and said that this was an issue he had been working on with XXX. He told M over and over again that he wanted M to stay in the Herb Chambers family, and that he was sure something could be worked out. So Mark and the manager sat down to come up with a deal.
The deal included a better car, a lower interest rate, an equal trade in value, and a lower monthly payment. We were told to cancel the deal with Harr and that Herb Chambers Toyota of Auburn would rework our deal. The paperwork would be ready the next day; we could come in and sign, and take the car home. And, honestly, we were thrilled.
The next day, we cancelled the deal with Harr, and called your dealership to find out what time to come in and sign. We were then told that the car we were looking at had been sold, and that they needed to find something else.
So we waited.
A couple of days later, we called back, and we were told that they needed to rework the deal because, since we would again be financing with Toyota, the deal needed to be different from the one submitted to the bank by Harr.
So, again, we waited.
Then we called back again and were told that we were having a hard time getting approved, primarily because the collateral was not worth the value of the loan. So we suggested gap insurance.
And again, we waited.
We called back a couple of days later and were told that the finance manager was going to meet with Toyota financial to try to get an approval (an approval, mind you, that had already gone through at Harr). So we reminded him of the extended warranty refund.
And again we waited.
Finally, we called yet again and were told that we needed to come up with two thousand dollars down in order to close the deal. When we asked about the final cost of the vehicle, the trade in allowance, the warranty cancellation, and the interest rate, we were told that all of that would have to be looked up, and that if we couldn’t provide the $2000 down, none of it mattered anyway.
Then, we asked how Harr had been able to make the deal, but Herb Chambers couldn’t. Believe me, Mr. Chambers, I did not expect what I heard next.
After getting what we consider to be the runaround for almost a month, we were finally asked, “Well why didn’t you just stay with Harr in the first place?”
At first I was shocked to be treated in such a way, but I quickly realized, Mr. Chambers, that during this hellish month-long experience, that utterance was probably the best advice to come out of your dealership.
I know that losing my business, my mother’s business, my sister’s business, my father-in-law's business, and my friends’ business means nothing to your bottom line. You will go on selling cars, and my friends, family, and I will purchase all our future vehicles from someone else.
But we used to be highly satisfied Herb Chambers customers, and now we are not.
And I thought you should know.
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if you get an add-on, rust-proofing/simonizing/scotchguard, make sure they actually do it and you get proof.
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they have contact me and have agreed to resolve this by refunding my price of the add on.
they have made this right by me...I am satisfied by their action.
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Mike M I have a few questions for you just so I know who I am dealing with. What work do you do? What dealership did you work at?
As for a dealership not willing to give a work sheet I think that is odd, what are they hiding? I always gave my customers work sheets when I worked at a Ford Store. That way I was being honest and so was the dealership. If I was giving a huge discount and was killing my self just to make a number I would write on the work sheet this offer is good until XXXX that way there was no confusion. I guess I am a bit more honest than the average person in this business and also I have higher standards.
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Honestly, I am thrilled. Writing that letter was more cathartic than anything, and I am still in shock that it was not only read, but acted upon.
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The General Manager just called me asking me if we were happy with the car. I told him that we were thrilled, and that we are already saving a great deal of money just on our decrease in fuel. He told me that Herb Chambers had personally called him and told him to put the deal through.
And that's what happened.
Both the General Manager (Dan) and the Finance Manager (Jason) were wonderful. They have made us life-long Herb Chambers customers.
So for those who say that Herb Chambers does not care about the customer...well, I have to disagree. He does care, and his actions spoke volumes.
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1) Customers look on the internet and see ours is the best price for vehicle X out there. They call in. Then hang up when they are not allowed to argue price??
2) This policy was based on CUSTOMERS wanting to eliminate the negotion process, it makes preowned shopping kind of like grocery shopping, you see a deal and purchase at the price.
3) We are now getting calls from all over the US and its funny to have someone call from Colorado- California and then ask if the price is negotiable. I mean this price has made you call from X distance and now you want to negotiate. The price is the price it was good enough to make you call here.
Well it has been an interesting few weeks with this one price so lets see if it catches on or dies out?
I would love to hear some comments about this pricing policy.
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Here's my story.....I'll try and keep it short and fun.
I recently opened a new business, but prior to to my heating business I was a master auto tech working on highline vehicles at the best dealers. I can go on and on as for why I left the automotive grind, but lets just say it sucks. If I put as much time into healthcare as I did into automotive I'd probably be a famous Doctor.
Anyway....... I had a Cadillac STS which needed head gaskets. I was 100% sure thats what it needed. The Cadillac northstar engine is known for this.
This job is expensive (I knew already) and the engine must be dropped to perform this repair. I have been very busy with the new business and I no longer have a car lift to complete this job.
I decided to "treat myself" and send it on over to Herb Chambers Cadillac in Providence RI.
I told the service writter flat out exactly what I wanted done and it had already been dianosed 3 times on top my my diag. I also asked for a top notch tech to take on the job. Of course the service writer "Steve" said "all our tech are awesome" YEAH RIGHT!!!!! He didnt know he was talking to someone who worked in the scam business of automotive for most of his life.
Next, 2 days later I get a call from Steve saying it's NOT head gaskets, it need a coolant flush, a thermostat, and some "tightening" around the waterpump??? Funny seeing how I had JUST flushed the system the week prior and already changed the thermostat (so did the guy I bought the car from) I KNEW it wouldnt fix the problem and questioned the repair on 5-6 phone calls. Steve PROMISED it would.......... again, figuring I'd get a call the next day saying "well it needs the gaskets" - that call turned into "your all set sir" all fixed-
My exact words were "there's no way that car is fixed" He again PROMISED it was.
The main problem these engines have w/ head gaskets is an engine boil over (or over pressurizing out of the coolant bottle cap)
I picked up the car to have an eye popping 1023.00 bill. They also made me pay for a new, but dead key fob door control to open the door... They said sorry, we can't get this to work but you still have to pay becuase we opened the box!!???
More like the clown technician didnt clear out the old remote programs to accept the new one!!
I made it 8-9 miles until the car boiled over yet once again. What REALLY pissed me off is when I opened the hood to add water/coolant to drive it home I couldnt because the Herb Chambers tech over tightened the cap to hide with huge plyers which left marks) to hide his failed attempt.
I had it towed home- I called "Steve" right away and he never called back. I then called the service manager.... No call back, I then called the General manager the next day.....no call back- I then put a stop payment on my check. THEN THEY CALLLED BACK!! They could have givin a crap less about my car, but ONLY ABOUT THE MONEY!
The General Manager is a COMPLETE ASSHOLE. If we were together instead of being on the phone I would have been arrested.
They then took me to court with yet another weazel- their collection Attorney Stephen R White of Warwick.
Oh, I almost forgot to mention the trunk lid latch they replaced...... well they forgot to put the trunk lid seal back in place and I ended up with 3 inches of water in my Cadillac trunk.
I also forgot to mention that 5-6 days after my major arguement with the General Manager someone broke my rear window with a rock at my house....... (probably one of his car cleaners) He is to used to people brown nosing his ass and forgot about the real world and people who might disagree. I'd pay 10,000 cash to have a chance to catch those guys in action. Well, I can go on and on but thats my 'short story"
Oh, I did call Herb Chambers direct office and his right hand helper could have given a crap less about what I had to say.
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Does everyone realize dealership mechanics/technicians get paid on whats called "flat rate" or simply "commission". I actually wrote a book and made a 26 track audio cd on how NOT to get screwed by dealerships like this. It was marketed wrong and I loss the farm, but Herb Chambers didnt know who's Caddy they were working on when I was hosed.
I'll be a thorn in herbie's side for the next 20-30 years (I'm serious too)
Did I mention the General manager was an Asshole? (ha)
I think Herb Chambers should take an extra hour per day away from waxing his vintage Ferrari's which were paid for with 60% blood money, and help ensure people don't feel like we do.
If the dealership wants I could help them diagnose Cadillac Northstar engines?
I had a joke along with 3-4 other technicians at one dealership I worked for. We called it the 50/50 game. In other words, when we were done with the car (and flagged our commision time) we often times knew damn well it wasnt fixed due to the fact we had "better" (higher paying) jobs waiting....such as brake jobs, major tune-up's etc- the 50/50 game was the flip of a coin that the car would (or wouldnt) come back. Many things could happen. Another mechanic could get stuck with it if it came back, the customer might get pissed and never return, the car might actually "pass" as fixed, you could blame an additional part, you could lie more, the customer might trade in the car out of frustration, I can go on and on.......
the thing is, I think Herb Chambers has a huge revolving door of mechanics and play more of the 80/20 game.
The thing is, being an "good" auto tech now requires a LOT of smarts for the pay and hard labor required its just NOT worth it. I've Herb Chambers doesnt pay well, so what does that leave you as a customer? herb Chambers does however have a great nack on brain washing employee's.
and let me tell you (and sorry to say it guys) Mechanics are easily brainwashed, and a solid 70% are followers, not leaders. Its a sad scene.
As I told their attorney steve white of warwick on my first call after put a stop payment on my check- "Tell them to learn how to fix a car" if they did we wouldnt be having this conversation.... "click"
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I bought a 2008 hyundai elantra with 1200 miles on it. They quoted me a price of 15,466 and told me that included all taxes and was the final price. I went in and signed the papers after spending 3 hours in the dealership.
The sales kid stood over my shoulder watching me waiting for me to leave and the store was closing. I hurried up and signed all the papers and headed out. When I got home I realized that the price had some how gone up from 15466 to 15700 on the paperwork. While in the office I had also noticed that the mileage they had marked down on the paperwork was wrong by 300 miles (they had 800 written) . I should have ran for my life then but my car was overheating and I was in a rush to get a car to get back and forth to school.
I went back three days later to get out of the deal because according to the people at the bank I work at you have 3 busines days to get out of a contract. They told me that it was illegal to get out of a contract in massachusetts, but they could not produce any paperwork to prove it.
They ended up playing mr nice guy and cutting me a check back for $500 teling me it was a secret deal that no one could no about. This made me feel better for the moment because I thought I was stuck with the deal no matter what.
I had no idea about how a credit application works, I told the salesperson that I wasn't sure of what to put down for income because I make a different amount every month. He said to write whatever I WOULD make IF I worked 40 hours every week. I didn't realize at the time that this was how I ended up getting a loan without a cosigner, By being pressured to lie!
They told me that my car would be ready on friday for SURE, I bought the car on a Wednesday evening. They told me to call and let them know what time to pick the car up. I did not call Friday, instead I just showed up. When I arrived they laughed and asked "What are You Doing here" I told them I was there to trade in my car and get my new one and they said "Ha ur car won't be ready for another 2 weeks to a month". they thought it was funny, but I didn't. I told them that I had been promised a car and I wasn't leaving until I got one.
All of a sudden they had a rental and were "apologizing for any inconvienience". I am not 21 so they really should not have rented me a car in the first place, but I took it beacuse I was told that I was stuck and couldnt get out of the deal.
After a few days of having the rental I called and spoke with the "Sales Manager" and he said a car that was paid off just 2 days before mine had come through, so mine should be in soon. 5 Days later I talked to hiim again and got the same Bull Excuses....the title is not in...we can't tell you how long it will be....Havent you ever tried to deal with the registry.
After another week My mother called and talked to the general manager and he told ehr to be glad we even got a rental and to stop being impatient.
Then my step father called the district manager who told us that the registry had just received the title and it would be another 7 to 10 days. they promised to make my first car payment and to have free oil changes. This was yesterday, tomorrow will be a month since I purchased the car! I am writing a letter tomorrow to the attorney general and to Herb himself.
So much for having the car in two days NEVER GO TO HERB CHAMBERS!
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I plan on telling anyone and everyone who will listen about my story. People usually get what they deserve.... its true. I know many people are internet "tough guys" I however would stand toe to toe and eye to eye with Herb Chambers and his general manager and tell them exactly what I think.
If I can personally take away $500,000 in sales and service with my posts over the next 10 years I'll be happy.
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I am sure your treatment was in part by the amount of money you spent on your INFINITY however just like anything in life some get lucky perhaps you should purchase lottery tickets you may possibly have luck there also.....for the rest of us the above complaints in majority are not good and that my dear speaks for itself!!!
1 year ago
Do you work there? Jim Xaros had no clue what to do or what I was talking about. All of you were were ripped off will love this new plan.
Late next week I plan to actually Picket outside Herb Chambers Cadillac with 4 other military friends. I'm also having a large professional sign made up to install on the back of my trucks simply stating: I WAS RIPPED OFF AT HERB CHAMBERS. One truck will be driven locally, the next will be driven in the Boston area near Chambers district/personal ofice.
I e-mailed their bill collection attorney with this info, also stating that with Herb Chambers money he can try and have me killed, but as an X-Marine hand combat instuctor, then a sniper for 2 years that won't be easy either.
But they can feel free to try.
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At least there are a few men of their words left. He said he'd call back and he did (twice) This still has to be signed off with Herb Chambers and the Attorney who was handling the case must write up a new agreement.
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I wanted to buy the accord coupe 08 but I wanted the stick shift , I was assured over the phone that they had it .I go to the dealership and discover that they don't , then they promise me to get one ( since they are so big and so connected ) but they push me to make a deposit , so I do that ( 250 $) , they promised to call me 3 days later ....no one called , so the next day I call the dealership and they tell me that the sales assistant that I worked with is off , so I go there and what a surprise he is in the dealership sitting on is desk , ....you should see the look on his face .
So of course my suspicions of them beeing bunch of liars is now verified .
without going into details with him , I tell him that because of familial reasons I do not want to buy the car anymore and want my money back .
so now he has to talk to his supervisor who comes back to inquire in a very nasty way about why I want my money back since they are working on a swap with another dealer in Connecticut ect. ect. he was very unprofessional and after refunding the money says " you can go now ..." , what a jerk , what a bunch of liars ....I just want to keep my old car so I don't go through this experience again .
hope that this review is helpful .
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I am educated and each time they lied or did things like not comply with Truth in Lending laws and I called them on it, they changed their response, imagine that.
It took me three visits to finally get the sticker from the car, something that is supposed to be posted. Rates and prices quoted were not honored.
Why did I stay, well my wife totaled her Sante Fe and it was towed to this dealership, I had little choice. Unlike most people I like confrontation and these people (from the sales manager to the incredibly rude young ladies behind the counter) seemed to enjoy their rudeness.
I did get the last laugh however, I taped conversations and had my daughter video some other interactions with other customers. The day before the paperwork I saw the manager, showed him the evidence and threatened legal action and that I also would go to the press. Everything was documented and notarized.
They gave me $10,000 off the sticker.
As for you people that say you work for any Herb Chambers, I believe you are either brain dead, brain washed or simple brain deficient. I have never met a soul who has dealt with any Herb Chambers who would ever do business with them again.
Finially, I am the CFO of a rather large company in central Massachusetts. We lease about 10-12 cars per year. I went to a Herb Chambers and said I wanted to lease 10-12 vehicles and roll those leases over every two years, the sales manager told me not to waste his time...why, because I went in on a Saturday in gym shorts and a T shirt. The dealer two miles down the road was more than happy to give me what I needed.
Buyer beware, you go to any Herb Chambers and you better be prepared to get treated like you're a moron.
How they stay in business is beyond me.
Oh yeah, almost forgot. It took 23 visits to properly diagnose the check engine light problem that my wife's car had. Amazing, simply amazing.